03 August 2012

Pussy Riot Trial

From left: Maria Alekhina, Yekaterina Samutsevich, and Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, members of feminist punk group Pussy Riot sit behind bars at a court room in Moscow, July 30, 2012. Photograph © Mikhail Metzel / AP; Caption © TIME.

Back in 1970s in what then was Czechoslovakia, Václav Havel coordinated respectable "dissidents" around the cause of the Plastic People of the Universe, a rock band engaged in what the Communist regime regarded as politically inappropriate performances and events. Today in Russia, members of the rock band Pussy Riot are imprisoned while on trial on charges of "hooliganism" and respectable, churchgoing opinion seems to be that the ladies are guilty and stand in need of punishment. You can read a report here in The New York Times and find an archive of articles here at The Guardian. The take away is not that Putin seems to have endorsed leniency in the case, but that the women face seven years in prison for making a political statement. This is the new "democratic" Russia.

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6 Comments:

Blogger Mikel-Miguel said...

I think 7 years is too much, a good fine is better, but these girls are at least stupid or bad persons (perhaps an orchestrated campaign from NED?). This is a completely lack of respect about religious people.
USA democracy is not better than Russia democracy.

By the way I am not religious.

05 August, 2012 06:40  
Blogger Jim Johnson said...

Thanks for your comment. I have to disagree. First, the women have already spent a bunch of time in jail for (to the best of my knowledge) doing nothing other than speaking. Second, that they did so in a church really is immaterial. AIDS activists in the US protested in Catholic churches precisely insofar as the religious organizations promoted homophobia and subverted effective treatments. Churches get no special standing if they are - as I think they tend to be - hierarchical and oppressive. (Obviously I am not religious either!) Third, I made no claim about how well functioning 'American democracy' is in practice. I tend to be highly critical of what passes for democracy here. Best, JJ

05 August, 2012 20:33  
Blogger Mikel-Miguel said...

Here and everywhere is important to make a distinction between defense of freedom and defense of propaganda.
These girls are not very inoccent and not well intetioned, there are political and economical interests behind.
I spoke about infiltration by NED with good reasons:

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.es/2012/08/who-or-what-is-russias-pussy-riot.html

This journalist is from USA too.

Regards.

06 August, 2012 03:20  
Blogger Jim Johnson said...

SO, I went to the blog post you linked to. And here is what I take to be the crucial point:

"While it is unknown, so far, whether or not the members of "Pussy Riot" were contacted by any of these groups, or by the US State Department or its subsidiaries to carry out their hooliganism, it is clear that these groups and the US State Department itself has turned an otherwise tasteless disturbance of peace and a violation of Church-goers' rights to practice their faith without harassment, into a point of political leverage against Russia."

I take this to be an admission by the author that there is no evidence whatsoever - no evidence, beyond the speculations of the post author - that the women involved have any relationship whatsoever with any of the nefarious groups or agencies he mentions. And I am granting only for the purposes of htis exchange that the groups and agencies he mentions are all nefarious in the ways he suggests. I do not know if they are. I will say, though, that notion that the folks at The Guardian are engaged in some sort of concerted propaganda campaign strikes me a preposterous. In other words, this post seems at best to be a set of unsubstantiated conspiratorial musings.

06 August, 2012 20:50  
Blogger Jim Johnson said...

PS: The point more directly is that even if there is some international conspiracy that has exploited the actions of Pussy Riot in an attempt to discredit the Russian regime, there is zero evidence (the author provides none and admits as much) that the women being tried are involved in that conspiracy. They are being prosecuted for having spoken out against Putin. Period.

06 August, 2012 20:54  
Blogger Mikel-Miguel said...

No period. There is no conspirancy, there are economical interests, is different.
There are ample evidence of manipulation of protests, for example in Yugoslavia, Ucrania and Russia too. In the case of Yugoslavia a lot of money of USA went to the opposition.
In this case the Guardian use this case for political interest:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/03/pussy-riot-trial-russia

These disrespecteful girls received curiously a broad attention of corporate media. Think about this case happening in New York, no corporate media would speak about lack of freedom in USA becasue the group were punished, I don think the speak abouit it at all.
An I dont think they must go to jail, but I think a good fine or community works are appropiate.

About who is behind of some "freedom" movements:

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/search/label/color%20revolutions

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/us-agents-of-subversion-deride-russian.html


Think a moment about Occupy financed by Iran or Russia.
Think about it.

You have very good authors from USA, with a lot of konwledge about the world:

Michael Parenti:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32234
Noam Chomsky
Howard Zinn
Gore Vidal

And about how works the world, no conspirancies but profit for big companies (Exon, Coca Cola, Mc Donnalds, Chevron, BP, Shell, Microsoft, Google, etc):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_WKSOZjcK0&feature=BFa&list=FLTIBK9RVQpd9VB5L8xtvNEw

Bes regards.

07 August, 2012 03:22  

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